Black Saint/Soul Note Box Sets

[romualdo]

That's good that they're are completing some of the artists - will have to add these to my list 

BTW, "Windward" Passages was in the second Murray box

A Bobby Bradford set would be nice IMHO - that would include 2 John Carter releases (4 discs in toto)

[Guy Berger]

On 6/3/2016 at 2:07 AM, king ubu said:

CAM has teased us with the four upcoming boxes - or rather, just with the artists they'll be dedicated to - here's what's left for them, I think (correct me where I miss something):

 

David Murray:

David Murray Big Band - LIVE AT "SWEET BASIL" - VOL.1
David Murray - LIVE AT "SWEET BASIL" - VOL.2
David Murray - INTERBOOGIEOLOGY
David Murray - CHILDREN
David Murray With Dave Burrell - WINDWARD PASSAGES *
David Murray with Randy Weston - THE HEALERS

Mal Waldron:

David Friesen with Mal Waldron - REMEMBERING MAL
Judi Silvano with Mal Waldron - RIDING A ZEPHYR **
Steve Lacy, Mal Waldron - COMMUNIQUÉ *
All Star Session - REMEMBERING THE MOMENT
Mal Waldron Trio - OUR COLLINE'S A TREASURE
Mal Waldron with David Friesen - DEDICATION
Mal Waldron, Steve Lacy - SEMPRE AMORE *
Mal Waldron - UPDATE
Kim Parker with The Mal Waldron Trio - SOMETIMES I'M BLUE

Max Roach:

Max Roach - IT'S CHRISTMAS AGAIN
Max Roach Double Quartet - EASY WINNERS
Max Roach Quartet - SCOTT FREE
Max Roach Double Quartet - LIVE AT VIELHARMONIE
Max Roach Quartet - IN THE LIGHT
Max Roach Quartet - PICTURES IN A FRAME

Muhal Richard Abrams:

Muhal Richard Abrams - 1- OQA+19
Muhal Richard Abrams/Malachi Favors - SIGHTSONG
Muhal Richard Abrams - DUET feat. Amina Claudine Myers
Muhal Richard Abrams - COLORS IN THIRTY-THIRD
Muhal Richard Abrams - SONG FOR ALL
Muhal Richard Abrams - FAMILY TALK
Roscoe Mitchell & Muhal Richard Abrams - DUETS AND SOLO *

 

*) part of earlier boxes by Murray (Vol. 2), Steve Lacy (Duos & Trios) and Roscoe Mitchell, respectively

**) no one needs this, methinks!

 

Pretty cool to see the rest of Roach's albums coming out - I was disappointed by the first one in that it only contained three (out of six) discs that weren't duplicates of the Taylor and Braxton boxes!

As for Muhal, I've bought all the missing ones separately by now (already had a few of them when the first box arrived), but I'm in for the Waldron (I think), the Roach and the Murray!

 

The Muhal will be the second one I'll skip - the first one was the Jimmy Lyons, where I have the albums already (and why did they omit one of the duos from the Cyrille box? there's not going to be a second one by him, I assume, right - nothing left in the vault?

Any idea when these coming out?

Guy

[king ubu]

No, they were mentioned in one of the regular newsletters recently (sometime in what's still sorta summer on the northern hemisphere), but I must have deleted that mail. Probably sometime in (late) autumn - the mail announcing the October new releases doesn't mention any boxes.

[mjzee]

Release date December 16:

 

[Guy Berger]

13 hours ago, mjzee said:

Release date December 16:

 

ROCK ON!!!

[mjzee]

Amazon also had the David Murray for the same release date, but didn't have a cover.

[tranemonk]

On 10/21/2016 at 10:56 AM, rostasi said:

Thanks for the heads-up!

Have the Roach, Abrams, Murray and Waldron on pre-order.

On what website?

[tranemonk]

1 hour ago, rostasi said:

Just went to Amazon a few days ago and saw them there,
and so I pre-ordered them.

Thanks. 

[Guy Berger]

I'm definitely picking up the Murray and Abrams.  Have my doubts about the Waldron.  What about the Roach?

[JSngry]

The Max albums...strong, but that band never made a full-on power record like the band with Billy Harper did. But still, strong band, fine records, and if you're short in the late Max department, this won't hurt even a little. Totally worth it for Odean Pope.

Also, there's enough in the Waldron set to make it interesting if you don't already have the individual albums.

[JSngry]

Sure!

Besides Lift Every Voice And Sing, there's the two Denon Tokyo live dates, one Baystate side, one on Japanese Victor, and one on Fluid.

and of course,

[felser]

1 hour ago, BFrank said:

Thanks, Jim! Somehow I never knew about these. Vinyl only?

Live in Amsterdam has especially inspired song choices on it.  Those Japanese Titles really need to be on CD.  Would make a great Mosaic Select.

[Chuck Nessa]

Back to Black Saint and Soul Note. Any numerical listings of the vinyl on line? Used to be one on Mike Fitzgerald's site but it no longer works, like many links on that page.

[alankin]

Chuck -- try this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saint/Soul_Note#Discography

[Chuck Nessa]

Thanks.

[GA Russell]

I suspect I asked this before, and made no follow-up action.

I would like to get some George Adams for Christmas.  With Don Pullen?  Is the Soul Note material the best, or would you recommend something else?

[kh1958]

12 hours ago, GA Russell said:

I suspect I asked this before, and made no follow-up action.

I would like to get some George Adams for Christmas.  With Don Pullen?  Is the Soul Note material the best, or would you recommend something else?

The Soul Note material is five albums by two different groups. Gentleman's Agreement and Hand to Hand are by a quintet with Jimmy Knepper and George Adams in  the front line, a unique pairing that I really enjoy, Hugh Lawson on piano (very good and not much recorded) and Dannie Richmond on drums. Two excellent albums in my opinion. The other three albums are by the Adams/Pullen quartet. Don't Lose Control is a fine studio album), and then there are the two Village Vanguard live recordings. I haven't listened to the latter two in a while, but my recollection is that the recording engineer botched the session and failed to capture the group well enough, though the performance is quite good. So basically it's three recommended albums, and two with reservations about the sound but not the performance quality. Or you can get the two Blue Notes (Breakthrough and Song Everlasting) or any of the Timeless recordings with Pullen (Decisions, City Gates, Earth Beams, Life Line, or Melodic Excursions) (except I don't care for the one with John Scofield). It's all of comparable quality. For other Adams without Pullen, also good are Old Feeling (Blue Note) and Paradise Space Shuttle (Timeless).

[GA Russell]

Thanks kh!

[StarThrower]

The ongoing duplication in these sets is annoying. I've already got the Lacy/Waldron duo albums in the Lacy box, and now they're in the new Waldron box.

[Chuck Nessa]

Difficult for them to avoid but smart shopping of boxes and used single cds can work to your advantage. I actually spent $36 for a used cd to complete my Abrams collection.

I bought the Bill Dixon box for 2 discs I didn't have.

Maybe someone should initiate a "spare Black Saint / Soul Note cds" topic.

I should add I am keeping a number of singles to compare with the mastering on the reissues. After the screw up on the Murray octet box, I'm not sure anyone is paying attention while making transfers.

Edited October 30, 2016 by Chuck Nessa

[StarThrower]

BTW, Amazon is 20 dollars higher on some of these new boxes compared to Importcds.

[felser]

On 10/31/2016 at 9:57 AM, StarThrower said:

BTW, Amazon is 20 dollars higher on some of these new boxes compared to Importcds.

Pricing always seems to be all over the place on these sets, Amazon and elsewhere.  Well worth shopping carefully.  Import CD's has had sales on them a few times which have been really good.

[street singer]

I've only got two of these sets - the Bill Dixon and Andrew Hill. I'm glad to have them both. I've been meaning to pick up more over the past few years, but it seems like something else always comes up and takes priority. All of this music is new to me, as the music on the Black Saint/Soul Note labels is, for the most part, completely unexplored terrain for me. I would really like to begin digging into some of this stuff, but now that I'm trying to decide which ones to buy...I don't really know where to begin. So, that being said - which of these sets are the absolute MUST HAVES? Also, are there any particular ones to avoid - due to mastering issues, etc? I have my eyes on the Hemphill, Adams and Pullen sets, as I've been exploring their music quite a bit as of late. 

Also, have any of these sets fallen out of print and become hard to come by? From what I can tell, the vast majority of them have remained readily available...which is a good thing if you're the consumer, but...not sure what it says about how well these are selling. They keep releasing them, though - so, they must be selling well enough!

Thanks for any/all input. My apologies if these questions have been addressed previously in the thread!

[felser]

The Andrew Cyrille set comes readily to mind as essential.  I would also recommend the Mingus Dynasty and George Russell and Mal Waldron sets.  Lots of other good ones, and I own a dozen of them.  Beware of used copies of the first David Murray set - the  first edition of it had mastering errors, which others can give the details on.

[StarThrower]

I bought more of these sets than I need, but if had to part with some of them, I'd keep my Steve Lacy sets, Abrams, and Hennry Threadgill. And George Russell for a few of the albums.