Teasing the Korean Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/26/arts/music/george-gershwin-rhapsody-in-blue.html By Ethan Iverson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 Iverson is a tool, this article is trolling thinly disguised as flyfishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Silly me, I've always liked “Rhapsody in Blue” just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Yes, lots of interesting discussion of this article elsewhere but for me this article is. . . meh minus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 I've never liked it and have never claimed otherwise. Ever. It's corny as fuck.i felt that way before I knew any better and the more better I knew the deeper my loathing for it. I've never been bashful about disagreeing with Iverson, but on this one, I totally concur. Gershwin in general...whatever. But Rhapsody In Blue...please die. Go away and never come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Who are the people who love Rhapsody in Blue, and who are the people who play it? Jazz fans? Jazz orchestras? I am reminded of the people who used to tell me, "I don't like jazz, but I like Brubeck." Twenty-five years ago, an Atlanta jazz pianist (Carl something, maybe Carl Allen) told me that the attitude of jazz musicians toward smooth jazz was, "Don't blame us for that!" I don't think the problem is the music. I think it's with its fans. They don't like jazz, they like this, and they think this is jazz. Maybe the tip-off is that it was commissioned by Paul Whiteman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 31 minutes ago, JSngry said: I've never liked it and have never claimed otherwise. Ever. It's corny as fuck.i felt that way before I knew any better and the more better I knew the deeper my loathing for it. I've never been bashful about disagreeing with Iverson, but on this one, I totally concur. Gershwin in general...whatever. But Rhapsody In Blue...please die. Go away and never come back. I never liked the piece overly much and have pretty much heard it enough. I have a token recording (out of a sense of obligation) which I haven't played in years. But I found the article irritating and pointless, abandoned it after a brief scan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted January 29 Author Report Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, GA Russell said: Maybe the tip-off is that it was commissioned by Paul Whiteman. Yes, Whiteman's name is the seal of approval for me. Whiteman also commissioned arrangements of a number of Raymond Scott tunes, and premiered Ferdi Grofe's "Trylon and Perisphere." So there you go! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 23 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: Yes, Whiteman's name is the seal of approval for me. Whiteman also commissioned arrangements of a number of Raymond Scott tunes, and premiered Ferdi Grofe's "Trylon and Perisphere." So there you go! 👍 I'll bet you that Duke Ellington commissioned more Duke Ellington compositions than Paul Whiteman did Raymond Scott compositions. Betcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted January 29 Author Report Share Posted January 29 29 minutes ago, JSngry said: I'll bet you that Duke Ellington commissioned more Duke Ellington compositions than Paul Whiteman did Raymond Scott compositions. Betcha. But Duke Ellington probably never commissioned a Raymond Scott arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Moderators -- cutting and pasting an entire article, as Teasing has done -- even with a link included -- is copyright infringement. It's stealing, adding one more nail into the coffin of the media and putting folks like me and my colleagues out of work. Please remedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 33 minutes ago, Teasing the Korean said: But Duke Ellington probably never commissioned a Raymond Scott arrangement. That was not his job. 11 minutes ago, Mark Stryker said: Moderators -- cutting and pasting an entire article, as Teasing has done -- even with a link included -- is copyright infringement. It's stealing, adding one more nail into the coffin of the media and putting folks like me and my colleagues out of work. Please remedy. Remedied. But reading of the full article is strongly encouraged, and tips to get around the paywall are welcomed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 34 minutes ago, JSngry said: tips to get around the paywall are welcomed! You can get the NYT for $1/week, which includes the excellent The Athletic, which is worth the price of admission by itself (and the WAPO for $30/year), so that's one way to go about it, and helps save journalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 Also being discussed at SHF, FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 9 hours ago, felser said: You can get the NYT for $1/week, which includes the excellent The Athletic, which is worth the price of admission by itself (and the WAPO for $30/year), so that's one way to go about it, and helps save journalism. Got any other ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 (edited) NYT has serious paywalls. For many sites you can view paywalled links in "incognito" (Chrome) or "InPrivate" (Bing), etc. tabs. That generally doesn't work (well, maybe once) in NYT and others of that nature. I already shell out serious $ for 2 journalistic news sources: Bloomberg (financial and intl news) and The Economist (intl news), plus a pittance for local journalism...sympathise with the Times but the budget is not unlimited and I don't care about The Athletic. Edited January 29 by T.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 10 hours ago, felser said: You can get the NYT for $1/week, which includes the excellent The Athletic, which is worth the price of admission by itself (and the WAPO for $30/year), so that's one way to go about it, and helps save journalism. I've also discovered that after your term at the discount price, when you go in to cancel rather than pay 4 or 8 times more, they'll keep cutting their price to entice you to stay, with the end result that I have extended the $1 a week for another year, twice. And without talking to a person. The modern age does have its advantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 I read the Iverson article on my subscription to the NY Times. Basically I agreed with him. In the comments section following the article in the Times, there were many strong disagreements with the article. It was clear to me that those who likes Rhapsody in Blue and expressed their disagreement with Iverson were overwhelming not really true jazz fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Got any other ideas? Yes, that eliminating the copyright infringement while requesting ways around paywalls doesn't exactly ease the problem that Mark was complaining about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 (edited) The article sets up a straw man argument that Gershwin is more highly regarded than Ellington. Apples and oranges! Rhapsody in Blue is a symphonic piece with elements and motifs from black music. It's not jazz. There is no conflict here. You can like Rhapsody in Blue and like jazz too. Just subscribe to the NYT already! It's worth it and important to support journalism. Edited January 29 by Stompin at the Savoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted January 29 Author Report Share Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said: The article sets up a straw man argument that Gershwin is more highly regarded than Ellington. Apples and oranges! Rhapsody in Blue is a symphonic piece with elements and motifs from black music. It's not jazz. There is no conflict here. You can like Rhapsody in Blue and like jazz too. This. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, Dan Gould said: Yes, that eliminating the copyright infringement while requesting ways around paywalls doesn't exactly ease the problem that Mark was complaining about. I'm happy to pay for Mark's writing. Iverson's, not so much. Even when he's right. 8 minutes ago, Stompin at the Savoy said: The article sets up a straw man argument that Gershwin is more highly regarded than Ellington. Apples and oranges! Rhapsody in Blue is a symphonic piece with elements and motifs from black music. It's not jazz. There is no conflict here. You can like Rhapsody in Blue and like jazz too. This too is a straw man argument. Rhapsody In Blue is not a good symphonic piece, not at all. It's tripe, pure and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 I posted the article at SHF and it seems to have raised strong reactions. I used to listen to Gershwin as a kid and used to love his compositions but have barely listened since then, except when I board a United flight. I’ve never considered it jazz although GG may have been influenced by jazz. It’s no fault of GG I suppose but I consider it pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 NY Times subscribers are permitted 10 "gift articles" a month that can be shared with others. I'm fortunate to have a subscription through my employer, so here you go: The Worst Masterpiece: Rhapsody in Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stompin at the Savoy Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, JSngry said: This too is a straw man argument. Rhapsody In Blue is not a good symphonic piece, not at all. It's tripe, pure and simple. I sympathize with you insofar as I have heard Rhapsody several times and have no need to hear it again. And from a contemporary musical perspective maybe it isn't that interesting. In its time the piece was rather startling, even revolutionary, and had reverberations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_forumlogo.png.a607ef20a6e0c299ab2aa6443aa1f32e.png)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.