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Oh, we are making a list of rock songs about underage girls now? There are many.

Some of the very last Coltrane studio dates are unissued and presumed lost, I guess in the Universal Fire. But did Coltrane take copies home that Ravi might have? That is how the extra Love Supreme material was found. If I understand the story correctly, Blue World was a rogue session neither Impulse nor Bob Thiele knew about, but Rudy was in on the secret. That is why the tapes were being safely preserved in the Canadian cold rather than tossed with the others into the Universal bonfire. Could other artists have also done secret sessions for other labels? Several clues point to the possibility that Lee Morgan may have made some rogue sessions for Roulette in the 60s. My first attempt at looking into this did not pan out - the vault most likely to have Lee Morgan Roulette dates only had the half session that was released. This does not mean the sessions do not exist, just that if tapes survived, they are not where they should be.

I was waiting for Zev to try to take credit for 'discovering' the Blakey session, but he stopped short of doing that. It came pretty close on one blog though...

Remember that Michael played the session for Wayne in 1995, and he stopped it after two minutes. This means that he does not want it out but also that the tape still existed in 1995. I doubt Michael gave it to Wayne that day. When I worked on the inventory of compositions for the Wayne biography, the answer I got regarding this session was that Wayne did not remember it at all. A little different from his reaction in 1995. The Blakey session was different in that the leader was not around to object to its release. From what I have heard, the Shorter session is probably too weird for a single release, but boxed with the other three as The Road to Weather Report would make sense.

Andra Day is dreadful.

The last 4 sessions are so different from the other 8 that it would make sense to do two sets. The last 4 could be thought of as pre-Weather Report. Wayne still has to consent to the unissued session being released. If it is ever to come out, it would be in a box with the other three.

Jordi Pujol is doing the work that US labels should be doing but are not.

How old she was when they fucked for the first time is a key point here, and I am not sure it has been established that she was 18. I am not saying she wasn't. A friend of mine booked Coleman for a gig and she was there. This was in the early days, no one knew who she was. He figured they were an item and wondered if she was 18 yet. Even if she was 19, even if she initiated it, and even though one is supposed to know what one is doing at 19, he was in a position to stop it and it was morally his duty, even if she was not officially his student. Times have changed, you just don't do that shit, period.

Right, you said so a while back but the press releases still were only mentioning LPs which is why people kept asking. I will edit my post for clarity. Update: Post edited for clarity.

Correct. Even if she had initiated it, which I doubt, he was require to say no.

Music is great, of course.

So I found out 30 minutes before that they had a Zoom meeting organized by Berklee to talk about Weather Report. A number of former members there: Peter Erskine, Chester Thompson, Omar Hakim, Mino Cinelu, Alphonso Johnson, Skip Hadden, Robert Thomas and Wayne Shorter himself who seemed very happy to be reminiscing with the cats. 3.5 hours of my life could not have been better spent! Wayne mentioned Woody Sonship Theus several times, almost suggesting he was somehow involved in early Weather Report in some way. I can't remember how his name came up. He also seemed to be suggesting that Woody's heart was no longer in music after Coltrane died and that he became some sort of preacher, but that does not jibe chronologically,

So do you definitely hear some clicks and pops between 8:30 and 10:30 on 'Seven And One'? Just want to make sure it is not my CD. I will live with it, but it is disappointing that the master is definitely lost for good.

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I was speaking half in jest, but only half...

Has anyone else heard the Redman and can confirm that the source was a vinyl? I always wondered where the master could be.

It confirms that there will be a CD version. David had told us so a while back but none of the press releases were mentioning the CDs because everyone is pushing vinyl and most Blue Note reissues these days are vinyl only. Hopefully real CDs and not CDrs. I can't imagine Blue Note would ever go that route, but then I never thought some of those other labels would either.

From the thesis: Patton also took on a musical responsibility in Price’s band. Though the personnel on Price’s records is never listed, Patton recalls: “I’m on the majority of Lloyd’s records...with ABC-Paramount.”[1] Furthermore: “We [Price and Patton] collaborated on a lot of tunes, “Personality,” “[Where Were You On Our] Wedding Day?,” “Stagger Lee,” “Have You Ever Had The Blues?”[2] The collaborations were often un-credited, and at times, Harold Logan, Price’s business partner who was not a musician, would receive song-writing credits. “The story was that Lloyd got all the credit, you know...we were just the band.”[3] For the record, Patton was credited, along with Logan and Price, for “Where Were You On Our Wedding Day?” Ben Dixon remembers, “John was a great writer in that vein....John Patton knew how to write hits. In fact he wrote one called ‘Where Were You On Our Wedding Day?’ which sold about 800,000 copies I think.”[4] Later on, in 1961, after leaving Price’s band, Patton got a job as a staff song-writer for Scepter Records, a label that was oriented towards the pop side of rhythm-and-blues and included such acts as Dionne Warwick and the Shirelles. So the story is consistent with that Patton told me. I think he suggested he was the sole composer of Personality, but we will never know for sure. At least he shares the writing credit on the other piece. I have yet to find if there s a copyright on Personality at all, and I have not checked BMI either.

What does it say? I need to dig it out...

Correction: I did not find a copyright deposit for Personality, I was confusing it with Where Were You On Our Wedding Day? So officially, it is Logan/Price, unofficially John told me he was the composer. We will never know for sure.

I think the copyright deposit says Price/Patton, but John told me he was the sole composer.

Somewhere out there are also the original, carefully notated songs. I assume the Mingus organization has these. Have they ever been played live by the Mingus ensembles?

Is the Redman a needle drop? Check track 4.

Personality was written by John Patton.

Is this vinyl and download only, no CD option? Also, in what way was it 'lost'? 'Ignored' is more appropriate.