Niko

also taking a break from Tzadik (just streaming this session, don't have the record)

Book of Angels: Andras one of the classical Blue Note lineups, vib/p/b/dr (with John Medeski doubling on organ and electric piano), and the group's first album called Nova Express was really a bit in that spirit... this one here is more ambient/static but not quite as ambient as the same group's At the Gates of Paradise... just noticed that Trevor Dunn has written a few words on most of the 40 albums he was on until 2021... but even he runs out of ideas with so many albums and all these mystical concepts he doesn't seem to relate to: "Here we have the Nova Quartet, augmented with Cyro, playing songs from Masada Book II, aka The Book of Angels. Each song is named after a different angel and I think there are over 300 of them. It’s a veritable collection of angelology. This version of Nova also shares qualities with The Dreamers." his description of Buer from the same series sounds interesting: "Brian [Marsella] is a sik pup. Another book of Zorn’s Masada book II songs, each one with a slightly different nod to the history of jazz piano i.e. Tristano, Art, Bud, McCoy. A lot of these are first takes. Perhaps we were driven by the fallen angel Buer who is a president in Hell where he teaches moral and natural philosophy, the logical arts, and the virtues of all herbs and plants. You can take classes in Hell??"

The Book of Angels albums I used to play a lot are Ipos, Stolas, Caym and Lucifer, the latter unfortunately not up on Spotify it seems... all from the earlier days of the series... I also played Paimon this morning, a Mary Halvorson quartet with a two guitar frontline, and thought it was pretty good... Andras with the Nova Express Quartet is another on my list because I like that band a lot

some random stuff seems to be missing, like Book of Angels Vol 10 Lucifer, which was up on Spotify in the old days of Tzadik on Spotify... most of the other Book of Angels or Bar Kokhba Sextet albums are online... and, indeed, artist names seem to be a bit random and not well-curated (Beyond Quantum is another example, it's credited to a single artist "Anthony Braxton, Milford Graves & William Parker" instead of to all three, making it pretty hard to find)

Brian Marsella Trio – Outspoken. The Music Of The Legendary Hasaan this Tzadik release came highly recommended here iirc

John Zorn - Book of Angels Vol 12: Stolas this album I remember as a favorite from the book of angels series, Zorn guests on alto on one track, otherwise, it's basically Uri Caine and Joe Lovano taking Zorn's spot in Masada... it's basically a Hard Bop album

Yes, Minimal Brass is amazing! Also looking forward to discovering Wadada Leo Smith on Tzadik beyond the Kabell Years box

Mount Analogue is my go-to Zorn album... there are other albums w a similar lineup from that time which are great... Great Jewish Music Bacharach was the first thing I played today... tomorrow I'll be revisiting the Book of angels series and Nova Express is great, classical Jazz in the vib/p/b/dr lineup

I'd say the electric guitar does come close

Also they're quite productive... I just counted 107 new John Zorn albums on spotify which were released since the last one I am familiar with from 2011 (and that count isn't even complete because there are albums like Virtue where he's the leader in the cover but not on Spotify)

Thanks for pointing this out! I remember visiting the UK in 2007 or so, one of the first things I did was install spotify and listen to all those Tzadik releases that were available then... (Other stuff, too, but Tzadik was really a priority)... I was a bit sad to see them give up on streaming and also followed there releases much less since they're so plenty and quite expensive over here...

thanks for pointing this out! In the early days of spotify, Tzadik was already streamable for quite a while... until it wasn't

It's only loosely related but it's what's on my mind right now... I learned earlier today that one my closest friends (and one of Noel Gallagher's biggest fans) will have no grave, no funeral, nothing, just a quiet disposal of the remains, the family thinks everything else is too much of a hassle... I would have thought I don't care, it's all earthly anyway... but I do.

Re early horn players from outside New Orleans (and the San Francisco angle, and Dallas) how about Reb Spikes (wiki)? (I started reading Tom Stoddard's Barbary Coast about early (1910-15) SF jazz earlier this year but then switched to the Gushee book but haven't gotten back to Stoddard yet... fascinating stuff)

Just had a look at the Dutch newspapers from back then... no further concerts in the Netherlands at that time it seems

Agreed

thinking of lists, a really curious one are the New Age Grammies from 1987 to now, with winners like Pat Metheny, Yusef Lateef, Jack deJohnette, Paul Winter of course, Stewart Copeland...

will check it out (so far, the best I've heard by the two was Ross's Parable of the Poet last year, I also kind of liked the quartet albums by Peter Evans and Theo Hill that you played recently, as well as the In Common album with Ross... but nothing comes close to that gig)

yes, that Marquis Hill album has grown on me as well... but the best live band I've seen in a while was Hill's quartet with Joel Ross recently... I wish there'd be a record by that group that can compete with he concert I saw...

There was some discussion of how to extract data from Discogs here recently iirc... there's also the option of using the discographies on jazzdisco.org, maybe nicely asking them about the underlying database ... those visualization tools are relatively easy to use, for a start they just need a big matrix with zeros and ones for the connections... I don't think it's more than a week of work

My dad was making those pictures when I was a kid in the 90s and I've always been fond of them (even though I have some doubts how much you learn from them)... have been thinking about doing some Jazz social network analysis for a long time, maybe just start with the discographies of the great hard bop labels and then see how people enter and leave the network, collaborate, bring in others, learn who was central to the networks of Prestige, Riverside and Blue Note at which points in time....it feels like something I might do in retirement (still over two decades to go...)

Ok, so the original publication was by Sam Donahue in his collection "Tenor Saxophone Styles" published in 1944... the tunes contained in it were Kelly's stable blues, by Coleman Hawkins.--Hi heckler, by Lester Young.--Blues on the bias, by Don Byas.--Feed the kitty, by Eddie Miller.--Short juice, by Dave Matthews. and I guess the first main question is how Sam Donahue came up with the music, whether he transcribed stuff he had - or whether he just created something "in the style of"

In Lewis Porter's book (p.115) it says that Hi Heckler is a transcribed Young solo (not a tune ) that was first published in 1944 and then in 1964 in Dave Dexter's The Jazz Story (so that could have been your book as well). Porter doesn't say where it was first published and notes that it doesn't correspond to any known recording... But, of course, the book is from 1985... Anyway, Lewis Porter seems like the person to ask

I must admit I never quite got the intention without the comma but also never tried to hard: Were they trying to say "Next we present jazz ramwong" (as in "chicken teriyaki" or "jazz samba") or is the "now" a qualification of jazz like in TTK's "now sound"... The comma makes it clear that it's the former... (see also Ramwong)