Black Saint/Soul Note Box Sets

[David Ayers]

I am excited about the Russell. I have some of these on vinyl. True I've got mixed feelings about them, but I think the set will be an excellent opportunity to think about Russell again. It will be a good price, I expect, and I am looking forward to it.

[John L]

Yes, I would spring for the Russell as well. I only have a few of the Russell Soul Notes. A box set would be a great excuse for sitting down with this music for a while and really coming to grips with this part of his discography. I have been meaning to do that for some time.

Edited May 30, 2010 by John L

[Niko]

one more new boxset appeared on the website, paul motian with the albums

JACK OF CLUBS

MISTERIOSO

THE STORY OF MARYAM

ONE TIME OUT

NOTES

the group on the first three is Bill Frisell, Joe Lovano, Jim Pepper, Ed Schuller, One Time Out is a Trio with Frisell/Lovano, Notes is a duet wit Paul Bley; strangely it's billed as 6 CDs so unless one of the above is a double album, one more album might be added... the individual albums from the cecil taylor and paul motian sets can already be streamed on the labels' page, e.g. Misterioso

[Niko]

just stumbled across this italian article from last december

it says:

Sempre a proposito della label romana, desta sensazione l'anticipazione sulla rivalutazione prossima ventura del catalogo Black Saint e Soul Note. Ricordo infatti che da qualche tempo Cam Jazz ha acquisito l'intero catalogo delle due etichette milanesi, ed ora sono annunciati una serie di cofanetti monografici low cost contenenti le discografie integrali di jazzisti di spicco che hanno inciso per Bonandrini. A fine gennaio 2010 saranno nei negozi i box di Charlie Haden, Henry Threadgill, Enrico Rava ed Enrico Pieranunzi. Seguiranno a cadenza bimestrale altri box a nome di Steve Lacy, George Lewis, Bill Dixon, Cecil Taylor, Max Roach, George Russell, Paul Motian e Don Moye. Le registrazioni saranno rimasterizzate e la grafica identica per tutti i box . Non vedo l'ora di vederne i primi esemplari...

so "bimestrale" means every two months, i.e., they are behind schedule already... of the mentioned artists (Lacy, Lewis, Dixon, Taylor, Roach, Russell, Motian, Moye) three are in the next batch apparently (Taylor, Russell, Motian) which seems to imply that the list is old but pretty accurate (david ayres, where did you get the info re braxton, taylor, douglas you posted above?) so it looks as if Dixon, Lacy and Roach are on the horizon...! wonder what a Don Moye Set would include...

Edited May 31, 2010 by Niko

[tranemonk]

that Paul Motian looks kind of interesting,,,, :rolleyes:

I wish they would do some David Murray, Mal Waldron, Jaki Byard sets............

[king ubu]

Very cool, thanks for digging that up niko!

Motian is mighty good news - I only have "Misterioso" and that one's terrific!

[David Ayers]

just stumbled across this italian article from last december

it says:

Sempre a proposito della label romana, desta sensazione l'anticipazione sulla rivalutazione prossima ventura del catalogo Black Saint e Soul Note. Ricordo infatti che da qualche tempo Cam Jazz ha acquisito l'intero catalogo delle due etichette milanesi, ed ora sono annunciati una serie di cofanetti monografici low cost contenenti le discografie integrali di jazzisti di spicco che hanno inciso per Bonandrini. A fine gennaio 2010 saranno nei negozi i box di Charlie Haden, Henry Threadgill, Enrico Rava ed Enrico Pieranunzi. Seguiranno a cadenza bimestrale altri box a nome di Steve Lacy, George Lewis, Bill Dixon, Cecil Taylor, Max Roach, George Russell, Paul Motian e Don Moye. Le registrazioni saranno rimasterizzate e la grafica identica per tutti i box . Non vedo l'ora di vederne i primi esemplari...

so "bimestrale" means every two months, i.e., they are behind schedule already... of the mentioned artists (Lacy, Lewis, Dixon, Taylor, Roach, Russell, Motian, Moye) three are in the next batch apparently (Taylor, Russell, Motian) which seems to imply that the list is old but pretty accurate (david ayres, where did you get the info re braxton, taylor, douglas you posted above?) so it looks as if Dixon, Lacy and Roach are on the horizon...! wonder what a Don Moye Set would include...

Yes I *did* see that list somewhere - I'll try to check just where - I think you can assume the sets I listed will come out... I'll get back to you

Edited to add: I think I probably saw this page http://www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com/site/index.php?site=&path=cd_press&idcd=1552

Edited May 31, 2010 by David Ayers

[jazzbo]

I'm really enjoying the sound of the cds in these sets.

[Guy Berger]

Very cool, thanks for digging that up niko!

Motian is mighty good news - I only have "Misterioso" and that one's terrific!

I like Misterioso a lot but thought One Time Out was a dud.

[Д.Д.]

I'm really enjoying the sound of the cds in these sets.

Would you be able to compare with the original CD issues?

[jazzbo]

Actually, yes, in a few instances I could and did.

The new versions sound crisper, tighter, more "in focus." Also a bit more dynamic. That's the best way for me to describe it. I compared two of the Hadens that I had, a few tracks each, before passing them along to a friend.

[caliper]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Rome-Italy/SOULNOTE/129359133746650?ref=search

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Rome-Italy/BLACKSAINT/131330770211136?ref=search

[Niko]

planned release date is 3 September

http://www.camscores.com/site/?site=&path=cd_press&idcd=1686

[David Ayers]

Ta-freakin'-da!

[Van Basten II]

[peterintoronto]

Is the sound of the Haden and Threadgill boxes as awful as the sound samples that appear on CAM?

[sonnymax]

Is the sound of the Haden and Threadgill boxes as awful as the sound samples that appear on CAM?

From CAM re: Threadgill -

A philological work, beginning with the original recordings on multi-track master tapes, patiently integrally remastered paying strict attention to the sound quality.

Does that answer your question?

[jazzbo]

Is the sound of the Haden and Threadgill boxes as awful as the sound samples that appear on CAM?

I haven't heard the samples and won't, but these boxes sound far from awful. I think they sound darned good.

[Niko]

as an aside, I just noticed that the alphabetically first albums of the four new sets come after the alphabetically first albums of the four old sets in the list on the camjazz homepage (on this somewhat unorthodox list which is alphabetical by album title); chance of this happening randomly is about 1.4% if i am not mistaken... hope this doesn't mean, that artists whose alphabetically first album comes before "Out here like this" by the Leaders are excluded from the Box Set Thing...

[king ubu]

Hope not... I want a Mal Waldron box, a Lacy box, a Muhal box, etc etc etc

[Niko]

Hope not... I want a Mal Waldron box, a Lacy box, a Muhal box, etc etc etc

Pullen, Roach, Bang, Dixon, Hemphill, Braxton... all the stuff that was hard to get, maybe out of fashion, when i started listening to jazz

Edited June 16, 2010 by Niko

[king ubu]

Yes yes yes! Bring them on... I hope the impression that these are selling well is indeed true and they'll go on with them for a while!

A Giorgio Gaslini box of later material might also be cool (though I have several of his discs from that time), to complement (the hopefully continuing) "Integrale" anthology!

[peterintoronto]

Is the sound of the Haden and Threadgill boxes as awful as the sound samples that appear on CAM?

From CAM re: Threadgill -

A philological work, beginning with the original recordings on multi-track master tapes, patiently integrally remastered paying strict attention to the sound quality.

Does that answer your question?

Not really, but I ordered them both anyway. I see the next four boxes have been delayed until September 3rd, 2010.

[felser]

How about a Billy Harper box? He did record the first album on the label, and they did name the label after him. Throw in the Soul Note 'In Europe' albums and you've got a nice set. Also looking forward to the Max Roach box.

[peterintoronto]

Alright! Got my Haden and Threadgill in a week from Italy. Gonna smoke some healing herbs, put on the Haden and post my reactions.