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Hard to see why they released this now. 

These kinds of lists were once essential. I spent hours over that Thurston Moore list back in the day, awkward jive slang aside. But that was a long time ago, and with the likes of RYM and Discogs that information is now available to anyone who is interested. 

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I like the list from a (latecomer and relative newbie in the field) listener's perspective.

Being somewhat of an old fart, I find the writing somewhat cringe-inducing. IMO pretentious to a degree and a certain amount of collector's "flexing" as I think someone put it above. Granted that's just my taste, and the enthusiasm is definitely a plus.

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So...the list stops in 1980. Does that mean that somebody who uses this book to drive their primary "discovering" is going to be only a quarter-century behind the times?

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True. But more like almost half a century at present.

An older/superannuated list seems much "safer". From both writing and "discovering" points of view. 😁

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Well, that was a (to me, THE, ymmv) golden era for that music.  Someone else can write the sequels for 1980-2000 and 2000-2020 if they want.

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I would. It's a real bugbear of mine that no one maps out any of this music past 1982. That goes for non-avantgarde jazz too.

One nice thing about that list is the FIG record. That was and is a good clique of musicians who still don't get enough love. 

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Well it just so happens that I felt inspired to put together a list of what the next 20 years could look like. I tried to keep with the spirit of the original list, and used only vinyl or cassette releases that came out between 1981-2001:

Brötzman/Miller/Moholo Opened … But Hardly Touched FMP 1981
Wally Shoup & Ross Rabin Scree-Run Waltz Too Sound 1981
Tristan Honsinger/Steve Beresford/Toshinori Kondo/David Toop Imitation of Life Y 1981
Glenn Spearman Night After Night Musa-Physics 1981
Billy Bang Changing Seasons Bellows 1981
Keizo Inoue In Moers '81 Trio 1981
Christoph Anders/Heiner Goebbels/Alfred Harth/Paul Lovens/Rolf Riehm/Annemarie Roelofs Es Herrscht Uhu Im Land Japo 1981
Pierre Favre/Léon Francoli/Michel Portal  Arrivederci Le Chouartse Hat Hut 1981
Horace Tapscott Sextet Dial 'B' For Barbara Nimbus West 1981
Donald Ayler  In Florence 1981 Vol. 1/Vol. 2/Vol. 3 Frame 1981
Richard Dunbar Clear-Eyed Vision Jahari 1981
Toyozumi Unit The Masterpiece Alm-Uranoia 1981
Burton Greene & Alan Silva The Ongoing Strings Hat Hut 1981
Joe McPhee Oleo Hat MUSICS 1982
Paul Flaherty/Froc Flipetti/Bill Wallach Trinity Symphony - 1982
Han Bennink Tempo Comodo Data 1982
Alan Silva Celestrial Communications Orchestra Desert Mirage IACP 1982
Bill Dixon November 1981 Soul Note 1982
Anthony Braxton & Richard Tietlbaum Open Aspects '82 Hat Art 1982
Akira Sakata Trio Dance Enja 1982
Air 80° Below 82 Antilles 1982
Steve Lacy Feat. Bobby Few & Denis Charles The Flame Soul Note 1982
Jemeel Moondoc Quartet Muntu The Athens Concert Praxis 1982
Doug Hammond Spaces Idbib 1982
SME + SMO In Concert Sweet Folk and Country 1982
Bert Wilson & Rebirth Kaleidoscopic Visions Au Roar 1982
Charles Tyler Quartet Definite Volume 1 Storyville 1982
John Carter Octet Dauwhe Black Saint 1982
Günter Christmann/Torsten Muller/LaDonna Smith/Davey Williams White Earth Streak Trans Museq 1983
Globe Unity Orchestra Intergalactic Blow Japo 1983
Peter Kowald/Wadada Leo Smith/Günter Sommer If You Want The Kernels You Have To Break The Shells FMP 1983
Improvisational Arts Quintet No Compromise! New New Orleans Music Prescription 1983
Barbara Donald & Unity The Past and Tomorrows Cadence 1983
Cecil Taylor Unit Nicaragua: No Parasan - Willisau 83 Live Nica 1983
Masahiko Togashi/Lauren Newton/Peter Kowald Contrast Paddle Wheel  1983
Jack Wright & Marv Frank Free Life, Singing Spring Garden Music 1983
Jon Rose/Luc Houtkamp/Leo Cuypers/Jan den Boer Dutch Trumpet Music Fringe Benefit Records 1983
Paul Rutherford Trio Bracknell '83 Ogun 1983
Peter Kowald/Maarten Altena Two Making A Triangle FMP 1983
Gunter Hampel All Stars Jubilation Birth 1983
London Jazz Composers Orchestra Stringer FMP 1983
Marion Brown 79118 Live DIW 1983
Hal Russell/Mars Williams Eftsoons Nessa 1984
Freestyle Band Freestyle Band Adeyeme Productions Unlimited  1984
Sun Ra Arkestra Nuclear War Y 1984
XPact  Frogman's View Uhlkang 1984
Joel Futterman/Jimmy Lyons/Richard Davis/Robert Adkins Inneraction JDF Music 1984
William Hooker Brighter Lights Reality Concept Units 1984
Keshavan Maslak with Charles Moffett Blaster Master Black Saint 1984
Bergisch-Brandenburgisches Quartett Bergisch-Brandenburgisches Quartett AMIGA 1984
Jackson Krall & The Secret Music Society Untitled Stork Music 1984
Rich Corpolongo & Joe Daley Sonic Blast Coda 1984
Detail Okhela « To Make A Fire » Affinity 1984
ICP Orchestra Extension Red White & Blue Instant Composer's Pool 1984
Gianluigi Trovesi & Andrea Centazzo Shock!! Ictus 1984
Marilyn Crispell Live In Berlin Black Saint 1984
Phil Wachsmann Writing In Water Bead 1985
Danny Davis Atmosphere Fool 1985
Eddie Prévost Quartet Continuum Matchless 1985
Takehisa Kosugi/Takahisa Kazamaki 円盤 (Live At The すとれんじ ふるぅっ) Fool 1985
Volapyk Volapyk Dragon 1985
Evan Parker/George Lewis/Barry Guy/Paul Lytton Hook, Drift, and Shuffle Incus 1985
Griot Galaxy Opus Krampus Sound Aspects 1985
Tristan Honsinger Picnic Data 1985
Marco Eneidi/William Parker/Denis Charles Vermont Spring 1986 Boticelli 1986
Evan Parker The Snake Decides Incus 1986
Ganelin Trio Ttaango... In Nickelsdorf Leo 1986
David Murray Recording NYC, 1986 DIW 1986
The Milo Fine Free Jazz Ensemble Get Down! Shove It! It's Tango Time! Shih Shih Wu Ai 1986
Butch Morris Current Trends In Racism In Modern America (A Work In Progress) Sound Aspects 1986
JoJo Takayanagi & John Zorn Experimental Performance With John Zorn Mobys Record 1986
Company Trios Incus 1986
Akemi Kuniyoshi-Kuhn/Marcio Mattos/Eddie Prévost Handscapes Leo 1986
The Blue Notes Blue Notes For Johnny Ogun 1987
Masayuki Takayanagi Action Direct Alm-Uranoia 1987
Roscoe Mitchell Quartet The Flow of Things Black Saint 1987
Quintet Moderne Ikkunan Takana = Behind The Window Bead 1987
Russell/Durrant/Butcher Conceits Acta 1987
Other Dimensions In Music Other Dimensions In Music Silkheart 1987
Borbetomagus & Voice Crack Fish That Sparkling Bubble Agaric/Uhlkang Produktion 1988
David S. Ware Passage To Music Silkheart 1988
Irène Schweizer/Maggie Nichols/George Lewis/Joëlle Léandre/Günter Sommer The Storming of the Winter Palace Intakt 1988
Jerome Cooper Quintet Outer and Interactions About Time 1988
Phil Minton The Berlin Station FMP 1988
Charles Gayle Trio Homeless Silkheart 1989
Johannes Bauer/Annick Nozati/Fred Van Hove Johannes Bauer Annick Nozati Fred Van Hove AMIGA 1989
Daunik Lazro/Lê Quan Ninh/Michel Doneda Concert Public VanD'Oeuvre 1989
Various Sounds - Contemporary Swedish Improvised Music Blue Tower 1990
Floros Floridis/Vincent Chancey/Peter Kowald/Louis Moholo Human Aspect Om 1990
Sonny Simmons Global Jungle - 1990
Berlin Contemporary Jazz Orchestra Berlin Contemporary Jazz Orchestra ECM 1990
Gush & Sven-Åke Johansson  Tjo Och Tjim Dragon 1990
Schlippenbach Quartett Das Hoe Lied Po Torch 1991
Peter Brötzmann/Shoji Hano Funny Rat EGG 1992
Hession/Wilkinson/Fell Foom! Foom! Bruce's Fingers 1992
Bill Cole/Warren Smith/Joe Daley Untempered Trio Shadrack 1992
In Actu Music & Painting Po Torch 1993
Matthew Shipp Duo with William Parker "Summertime" Yak'u'za 1995
TEST Ahead! Jazz Ramwong 1998
Arthur Doyle Electro-Acoustic Ensemble Plays The African Love Call Esoteric Yod 2001
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Quick count, I think I own six of those, compared to 46 on the first list, FWIW.

As for not mapping out post-1982 non avant-garde jazz, that may reflect the stultifying effect that Wynton Marsalis & Co.  had on record labels and producers.  Compare 80-90's BN to 60's BN for even the same artists who recorded for them in both eras (the prime example being those McCoy Tyner solo and duo albums in the later era).

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On 1/23/2026 at 10:47 AM, felser said:

Thanks for this!  Quick count, I believe I own 46 of them plus burns of the Lasha and Colbert, which I would buy legit CD's/downloads of in a heartbeat.  Lots of room to debate the selections, of course, but there are some wonderful recordings on there.

Yeah, quick rehearsal of my collection, I have about half of these. The other half I don't have, I'd be open to listening to...at a reasonable price. 

Posted (edited)

Looks like I have 101.5 (part of the Dolphy Acetate on Other Aspects) of the records listed in the book, plus a couple more as downloads. I sold a few that are on the list as well. 

Also, it looks like around 84 of Colin's list (need to catch up!) are filed. I tried to get the Zorn/Takayanagi duo from Dusty Groove once, cheap IIRC, but someone beat me to it. Maybe that was Colin!

The reason given that the original book cut off in 1980 is that they didn't want to end up closely tied, personally, to any of the records included. 

I'd definitely read a good follow-up book covering 1980-now.

Edited by clifford_thornton

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