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Wasn't he on one of the early Albert Ayler albums? Bertrand.

Speaking of San Francisco rockers who (could have) collaborated with Wayne Shorter... I've always wondered what Wayne would sound like playing with Jack Casady. I just *love* the sound that guy gets out of his bass. Bertrand.

Chuck, Is the 'Early Morning Stroll' recorded at the Montoliu session the same tune that appears on The Breakthrough? There is some confusion because on The Flip, 'Early Morning Stroll' is a different tune, and the one labeled '18th Hole' is identical to the one labeled 'Early Morning Stroll' on The Breakthrough. Thanks, Bertrand.

The moral issue of copyright infringement when pertaining to live recordings that are otherwise not available commercially has always intrigued me. On the one hand, living artists may be deprived of income, but is this really the case when the recording cannot be bought in a store? What's the dollar value on something that is not available commercially? On the other hand, once the artist has passed on, these recordings become a part of history and in that respect, those who made these initial recordings, no matter how unscrupulous their motives may have been at the time, did us all a favor. If there really is an obscure Larry Young or Wayne Shorter date on this site (especially from the sixties), it is important that I can hear it. I'm trying to make inventories for these composers (and others) of all their known compositions, and if such tapes yield otherwise unknown tunes, it is important for me to know this. I make no money off of this work, but I hope it can be of use to future musicians or scholars. Now those who go out and sell recordings of live gigs are definitely up to no good. My two cents... Bertrand.

Sidewinder, kdd, Thanks for the confirmation on 'Rakin' And Scrapin'. I totally forgot that Patton covered it. Bertrand.

The title track was actually the last tune recorded that day. This may explain why Lee's chops were weaker by the end of the day. Bertrand.

Indestructible, If you find that VHS, let me know!!! I think someone on the old board had a CD-R of that session. He posted this just a few days before the board was shut down (early March 2003), and I didn't send him a PM in time. If you recall from a thread I had on the old board, I am trying to get a hold of all of Jackie McLean's recordings. This would be a great addition. As for my list of AWOL musicians, I think Mike is right - the budget must have been limited. Shorter would have had to be flown in from California, Parlan from Denmark, and Farmer from Austria, so that rules them out. I suspect most of those who were there are east-coasters, although I think at least Hutcherson is from LA, isn't he? Bertrand.

Here is the information. The track listing on the Fresh Sound Live At The Lighthouse '70 is: CD #1 Peyote (Lee Morgan) Ceora (Lee Morgan) Speedball (Lee Morgan) Willow Weep For Me (Ann Ronell) Meofelia (Lee Morgan) CD #2 Rakin' And Scrapin' (Harold Mabern) Umjanna (Lee Morgan) Something Like This (Lee Morgan) Ceora (Lee Morgan) Speedball/Theme and closing The correct listing should read: CD #1 Peyote (Bennie Maupin) Ceora (Lee Morgan) Speedball (Lee Morgan) Willow Weep For Me (Ann Ronell) The Chief (Harold Mabern) CD #2 Rakin' And Scrapin' (Harold Mabern) Yunjanna (Bennie Maupin) Something Like This (Bennie Maupin) Ceora (Lee Morgan) Speedball (Lee Morgan) (I removed the reference to 'The Theme' so as not to confuse things with Miles Davis' and Art Blakey's theme songs) I am sure of all of these titles except 'Rakin' And Scrapin'. Mabern recorded this tune for Prestige, but I have not heard it. However, Lee announces it on the CD. Of course, on the Fresh Sound Live In Baltimore '68, Lee announces that he is about to play Hank Mobley's 'The Vamp' and proceeds to play another Mobley tune ('Chain Reaction', perhaps - I'll have to listen again). The difference there is that Mobley was not on the gig. Mabern WAS at the Lighthouse and could have corrected Lee. Can anyone confirm that track #1 on CD #2 of Lighthouse '70 is indeed the Harold Mabern tune 'Rakin' And Scrapin'? As for the recording location, it remains a mystery. Belden adresses this issue in the Blue Note CD but does not really resolve it. He confirms that the Fresh Sound tracks are not from the BN vaults as some had suspected. He also says that Maupin suggests that they are from a radio broadcast of a gig at the Both/And in San Francisco a few weeks earlier. However, he does not really confirm this - one would need to hear the actual radio broadcast to be sure. In my opinion, these tapes could still be from the Lighthouse, just from a source other than Blue Note. By the way, I find it very interesting that none of the four tracks that were on the original Blue Note LP were part of the Fresh Sound set. Bertrand.

For those in the Baltimore/Washington area, Cedar will be at Caton Castle in Baltimore on Saturday 11/29 at 7:00 PM along with Javon Jackson, David Williams and Joe Farnsworth. Tickets are $30 - call 410-566-7086 www.baltimorejazz.com Maybe I'll see you there. Bertrand.

It is possible that Wayne was simply on tour with Weather Report. Interesting conjectures, all. Let's make a list of those who were AWOL and I'll try to ask Cuscuna what happened. He may decline to share the info, though. The following could have theoretically played at the concert: Andrew Hill Sam Rivers Wayne Shorter Ornette Coleman Don Cherry Big John Patton Miles Davis (!) Joe Chambers James Spaulding Freddie Redd Horace Parlan Art Farmer Grachan Moncur III Sonny Rollins Any others? Bertrand.

Rooster, Vincent, Sorry, I fell asleep early last night and didn't compare the CDs yet. I will try to do it tonight or tomorrow before I go to my in-laws for Thanksgiving. I am going to go check out a jam session with Butch Warren tonight, so I don't know when I'll get home. Bertrand.

Poor Rooster - I totally missed this thread! I will post my results there as soon as I have checked the CDs - hopefully tonight. Bertrand.

Rooster, How did I miss this thread for so long? I will check everything tonight and post the results. Here's a sneak preview: Track #5, CD #1, labelled 'Meo Felia' is actually Harold Mabern's 'The Chief'. This is the same tune that is one of the three rejected tracks from Sixth Sense, and is the same tune that appears on Frank Strozier's What's Goin' On. This tune is unrelated to Maupin's 'Neophilia' from the BN sessions. Mabern told me the piece was dedicated to John Coltrane. More to come... Bertrand.

Vincent, Thanks. I think I have Bill Crow's e-mail somewhere - I will write to him. I got your e-mail and I tried to respond, but I'm having e-mail trouble again. I will get the information tonight or tomorrow and post it here (in artists, under Lee Morgan). I think it will be useful to other board members anyway. Bertrand.

I need to find that book again and get my story straight. It may have been the reference to the concert jazz band that I was alluding to. The thing about 'Nellie Bly' was elsewhere - possibly something Michael Cuscuna had told me over the phone. How big was the concert jazz band? Bertrand.

From the dust jacket: Wynton Marsalis: 'Art Blakely is the best drummer who ever played in my band'.

Mike, At least you weren't asked to contribute a blurb. Bertrand.

I was there one week-end and went to the Bop Stop. It was a nice club, and I think it has moved to a bigger location. Bertrand.

In one of his two books, bassist Bill Crow says that the Wayne Shorter tune 'Nellie Bly' was part of the Mulligan songbook in th early sixties. I admit being almost totally ignorant of Mulligan's discography. Did he ever record it? Do we have any evidence that he played it in public other than Crow's claim (e.g., a concert review that names the tune specifically)? What size group was the arrangement written for? I know that Wayne arranged it for Maynard Ferguson's band during the month he was in it - perhaps Mulligan is uing the same arrangement? Note that Wayne originally recorded this as 'Mama G' on Wynton Kelly's Kelly Great (Vee Jay). This is usually considered Shorter's first recording session, although apparently some sideman date on Columbia may have preceded it... More to come. Bertrand.

Resurrecting this topic... I finally actually did get a hold of a copy of Gourse's Blakey bio (I was just kidding before). DISCLAIMER: I did not buy it, I borrowed it at the Library. She does not claim that Art killed Bird, of course. However, she relates an anecdote wherein Blakey claimed that he did visit Bird on the very day he died (earlier in the day I assume). I wonder if this is how the rumor got started? It's of course hard to judge the veracity of this story. First, Blakey was an amazing tale spinner. Gourse harps on this point, but it was well-known before. Second, her scholarship is dubious at best - there are no footnotes or anything, so we don't know where she heard the story. I am impressed that apparently, she did get to interview the reclusive Jymie Merritt. He sheds some light on Lee Morgan's killing at Slugs'. She acknowledges the Blakey chronology by Mike Fitzgerald and Steve Schwartz in her intro, but then in the book proceeds to make statements that contradict it! Another gaffe: she tells a story about Blakey's driving habits that she got from John Hicks. She says Hicks got a ride from the Messengers group that recorded Mosaic, but then she claims that Lee Morgan was in the car! Such sloppy editing... Bertrand.

Larry Young's 'Ritha' - beautiful tune. Bertrand.

I hope I didn't accidentally make a bid just by clicking on the link. I am an e-bay virgin and intend to remain so. Seriuoulsy, who knows if this isn't just multiple copies of Pat Boone records? Did anyone call this guy?

The Struggle Continues is awesome. Too bad it probably will never make it to CD. Bertrand.

Dan, Congratulations! If you do interview Bob Weinstock, ask him who the second horn on Mating Call was supposed to be Bertrand.

I believe Rooster has mentioned his affection for Andrew Hill in passing in one or two postings.