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Well, here's something entirely new to me. Gil apparently ALSO continued to perform and also recorded this very same tune simply calling it "Waltz" (source). If you search YouTube for "Gil Evans Waltz" there are at least 3-4 different examples (none of which mention Barracudas or General Assembly), for example THIS, or THAT, and THE OTHER. Learn something new every day... One on-line Gil discography (here) seems to indicate at least 5 different versions of "Waltz" were recorded/released (all seemingly live versions): Montreux Jazz Festival '74 - Gil Evans - Nippon Phonogram RJ6043 - LP Parabola - Gil Evans Orchestra Horo HDP31-32 - 2LPs Gil Evans and his Orchestra - View Video 1301 - VHS Video (which is nearly the same as next item below) Gil Evans and his Orchestra - ? RC-0002 - VHS Video (Japan) Orchestre National de Jazz 86 direction François Jeanneau - Label Bleu LBC 6503 - CD Farewell - Gil Evans & the Monday Night Orchestra - King K32Y 6250 - CD Again, these are all live documents with "Waltz" in the track-listing (source)

I've always thought of Miles' studio output within the years of about 1968-1973 as being VERY cinegraphic -- or maybe highly suitable to be paired with cinematography is a better way of saying it. I think there's a LOT of films that could/would benefit by the inclusion of Miles' late-60's/early-70's material.

Here's the Ampex/enja version from 1969... www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5GocDU2rTg Wow, I haven't listened to this in a LONG time - I'd forgotten just how damn different it is. With layers upon layers in the early buildup to the vamp/"theme" (in so much as there even is a theme). Just listening (quietly) on my speakers at work, and I'm not trusting the above YouTube upload, so here's another... www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhLxhyE16HM ...though it sounds the same.

Damn, Jim. I picked up the CD issue of Individualism in the very early 90's (and played the hell out of it at the time!) -- it was my first exposure to Gil outside of the Miles collaborations (and several years before I ever found/got any other 'Miles-less' Gil on CD, probably not until the late 90's). So being Track 1 on the CD, "Time of the Barracudas" made this HUGE impression on me early on -- it was THE Gil Evans tune (without Miles) in my mind. So why the 10-year wait to issue the 1964 Evans/Shorter/Elvin/Burrell version? It's a frickin' masterpiece! - one of the highlights of the entire Gil Evans catalog, for gosh sake. QUESTION: Other than the big three I started out with in my post, are there any OTHER versions that pre-date the Ampex/ejna version from 1969? (Meaning, is the Ampex/enja Blues in Orbit version really the 4th recorded version? - or are there any other versions specifically from the 1960's?) All of those first three versions are just knockouts (well, maybe not quite the Miles -- but it is still Miles, and in the context of the whole 13-minute suite, it's still pretty darn good -- or at least certainly better than anything that came out on Quiet Nights). And Etcetera is probably my #1 favorite Wayne Shorter Blue Note album (or a close second to All Seeing Eye, some days). I could almost understand one or even two of those first three versions staying in the can 10 years or more -- but all three??

Me too, and I'll buy almost any title that includes it. I have (or have had) remakes on leader-dates by Ingrid Jensen, and another by Scott Colley (with Ravi Coltrane, iirc) -- but those are the only two 'covers' I can think of at the moment. Would welcome hearing of others!

It looks like maybe there's a 2LP version of Individualism from 1974 that also had the Evans/Shorter/Elvin/Burrell version (the 2nd LP looks like it was the same as the obscure single LP), along with the other sketches that Gil never wanted released. Was this 2LP version widely known at the time? And while we're at it, are those other four 'sketches' at all interesting? I know Gil must have really disliked them, but I've always been curious to hear them (but never have). Haven't ever found them uploaded to YouTube, but that's about the only place I've ever looked online to hear them.

I just realized (or had forgotten), that iirc -- ALL three(!) of the first(?) three major recordings of this tune, ALL went unreleased for 10 or more years after they were first recorded. If I've got my facts straight... 1. First recorded version with Miles Davis and Gil Evans ensemble from 1963 - went unreleased until the Complete Miles & Gil box in 1996. Lots more good info HERE, which is a Google-translated German Wikipedia page for the tune (German to English). 2. Second recorded version with Gil Evans Orchestra, Wayne Shorter, Elvin Jones, Kenny Burrell, et al. from 1964 - went unreleased until the early 70's (is that right?), on an album of all previously unreleased Gil Evans material, some of which were just sketches that Gil never wanted released. This version later came out on the CD editions of Individualism Of..., and being the first track on the CD, most folks (including myself) probably thought that's where it came from originally (had forgotten that until recently). Is that all right? - that stunning version sat in the can for 10(!) years! (THIS is the 1974 album that I think is the first ever release of the Evans/Shorter/Elvin/Burrell version, correct?) 3. Wayne Shorter quartet version from 1965 for Etcetera (for Blue Note), simply titled "Barracudas" - but not released until 1980, on the LT series. What was the first ever released version of this tune? - the 1974 issue of the 1964 Evans/Shorter/Elvin/Burrell version? Or, maybe the 4th(!) recorded version from 1969 with Billy Harper, et al. (which seems to have been released on Ampex in 1970, on an album simply called Gil Evans, and that same material was later reissued in 1985 by enja as Blues in Orbit)? I'm reading online that the shorter Ampex version of this album (with only the 1969-recorded tracks) was supposedly poorly distributed -- and maybe wasn't widely known until the enja reissue in 1985.) So then, was Wayne's BN quartet version (released in 1980!), really the FIRST widely distributed/known version of this tune? Then (if you can believe it), maybe followed by the 1985 enja reissue of the 1969 (4th) recorded version (originally on Ampex)? And then it wasn't FINALLY until the 1988(!) CD issue of Individualism that anybody really had half-a -chance to hear it even close to the way Gil originally intended? Jeez, what a horrible release history for what I consider to be one of Gil's near signature tunes. WTF? Discuss...

Opens here in DC on Friday, in at least the art-house theaters downtown (E Street). Looking forward to it this weekend, though I'm keeping my expectations in check.

Terumasa Hino's first recording of the tune (at least I think this version from his 1967 album of the same name is his first ever recording of the tune) is really something special. I just picked up this album on CD a couple weeks ago (burn-on-demand via CDJapan), and it's really spectacular. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn-LQpFhGIY

Maupin's playing on Chick Corea's "Complete 'Is' Sessions" (from around the same year as Lee Morgan's Lighthouse stint), is very Shorter-esque too, and simply wonderful.

Thanks!! 47 this year, gasp, one more year and I'll have to round up to 50!

How's the piano on this new "Blue Mitchell / Sonny Red - Uptown" release?? If it's as out of tune as a couple of the other Left Bank things I've heard, I'd be hard-pressed to get too excited about this. Then again, if it's not too bad -- then I'm in. I'm not even all that picky, bud DAMN, there's one Lee Moran left Bank thing I know I used to have (forget which one), that was downright painful.

I'm 47 (just today, in fact). While I still really like early REM (the entire IRS years), I got burned out on a lot of their big hit records on Warner Brothers (which I still like, but don't listen to as much). But Monster was totally different, and not a blues chord-change to be found in the entire thing (by design, iirc). And New Adventures was even more in contrast to their better known 'sound'. And for some reason Reveal has always sounded like what I would expect a Michael Stipe solo album to sound like. I'm NOT a fan of all their post-Automatic for the People efforts. Up is hit-n-miss for me, and Around the Sun is total dreck as far as I'm concerned (gack, I can't stand that album). But the last two albums are quite nice, though I haven't spent enough time with them yet (even now), to have fully embraced them like most of the rest of the (earlier) catalog. My 'problem' (if you can call it that, though it's not really a problem per se) with the earlier, "classic" IRS sound/years is that there's so much similarity to so much of the sound of that material (great as so much of it is). Also, I've been there and done that for so long, I'm a little burned out on the early stuff more. Document came out my freshman year in college, and it and lots of what came before were the soundtrack of much of my college years. And also what came out shortly thereafter too. You see, ALSO... ...on the college radio station where I worked on-air (circa 1988-92), the IRS stuff got overplayed (some of it WAY overplayed). And the on the Top-40/Adult Contemporary-Hits-Radio (CHR) station where I also worked on-air (at the same time, circa 1990-94), the Warner Brothers stuff got overplayed (and some of IT also got WAY overplayed). So you can see where I'm left is with Monster and some select things after it, that still sound fresh and new to me to this very day.

I'm weird. My top 3 favorite REM albums... 1. New Adventures In Hi-Fi (1996) 2. Reveal (2001) 3. Monster (1994) ...and from about 1995-2005, my #1 favorite was Monster. (And I think my wife's #1 is Reveal.)

A contemporaneous version (Sept 1965) of Nathan Davis' "Trane of Thought" - with Carmell Jones, Francy Boland, Jimmy Woode, and Kenny Clarke. This was recorded for MPS in Germany about 9 months after the version in Paris from the newly discovered RTF recordings.

Answering my own question... > The Maison de la Radio is indeed on the cover of Larry Young's 'Into Something'. The building was also known as Maison de l'ORTF back then. http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?/topic/63794-butch-warren-discography-question/&do=findComment&comment=1091417

Just got a copy of this last night (at an event for the new Larry Young in Paris set), and what I heard briefly this morning as I was getting ready for work sounded great! Hope to spend some more time with this over the weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cNF915m6tfY

Got my copy at an event here in DC, an excellent interview that Michael Fitzgerald conducted with the producer of the project, Zev Feldman -- which was very interesting, and very entertaining too! I only gave the 2nd disc a full spin last night, and bits of the 1st -- but I'm thoroughly blown away by the material, and also the nearly 60-page book (much more than a booklet, really) that comes with the package. HIGHLY recommended, outstanding material and liners. BTW, does anyone know if the building in the background of the iconic Into Something cover is still in existence? It was in Paris, apparently. There are some great, alternate photos of Larry in front of this building in the liners to the "In Paris" set -- all taken while Larry was there when these recordings were made.

Guess he was then. Gosh, I guess I've see him 5 times then since I've moved to DC. Every chance I could!

Was Gary on that too? I don't think so, but can't swear to it.

There was a lot I strongly disliked about "Whiplash" too, even hated, but a lot I liked too. The acting was outstanding, esp. Simmons, but the whole mind-fuck power-play aspect of the storyline was absurd, and pissed me off deeply. A great but DEEPLY flawed film, but one I'll probably never watch ever again.

Two more (or one and about one third): One: https://www.discogs.com/Contemporary-Jazz-Quintet-Location/release/5544064 One Third: https://www.discogs.com/Griot-Galaxy-New-Chamber-Jazz-Ensemble-CJQContemporary-Jazz-Quintet-The-MontreuxDetroit-Collection-V/release/5501155 And some more info about the Strata date: http://freeingjohnsinclair.aadl.org/node/197284

What other albums is he represented on? Besides the two Cox BN's, of course.

Would love to hear what you thought of the Bowie, Jim (or anyone else too, for that matter). Here, or in the Bowie RIP thread.