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This thread reminds me to see if I have the US RVG CD issue of POD (which I'm sure I probably have), to read the supplemental essay that appears there in the liners (which I haven't read in years). POD is the Hill date I've had the longest - so I probably take it a little for granted (even as great as it is). But a few random thoughts... If I'm recalling correctly, POD is the only Hill date (from the big Mosaic, 63-66) with three horns on the front line. And, yet, the date doesn't function anything like a date with a big horn-driven front-line (like the Messengers dates, for instance, with trombone). Strangely enough, POD is also one of the only dates I can think of with Joe Henderson (another guy I also obsessively collect, every bit as much as Hill) -- that I really DON'T associate with Joe Henderson very much at all. My brain scarcely remembers that Joe is even on POD, unless I'm actually playing it (though I certainly associate Joe's other dates with Andrew quite strongly - both Black Fire and the date that was later released as Pax). The one thing about POD that almost supersedes all else is DOLPHY.

I'm sure I'm overlooking a few other dates I have that he's on, but in MY mind - Hardman is "the trumpeter that's on those two live Jazz Messengers dates with Billy Harper from 1968!" -- which are both amazing documents (and probably my favorite Blakey leader-dates, though almost entirely for Harper's inclusion in that band). Shame they never recorded in the studio, or didn't last long. (But at least there's more documented - 2 albums' worth - than the version of the Messengers with Tyrone Washington and Woody Shaw on the front line, which was never recorded at all, afaik.) What other Hardman from the 1965-75 timespan is notable? Maybe not a lot of records (released dates) during that particular timeframe, but I know he turns up on video here and there, for example... www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPrK1HGX_cs

Funny, while POD certainly is a spectacular date -- I must say that in the corner of my brain that it occupies, I often associate it as being as much an Eric Dolphy sort of date (for me, Dolphy dominates the proceedings), as Hill's. Early, early on in the first half-decade of my first jazz listening (mid 90's), I even filed it under "Dolphy" in my collection. While I love POD, I think it's elevation (in most camps) as being almost THE definitive Andrew Hill date seems a little off to me. I'd be more likely to nominate "Black Fire" for that. When I'm loaning out Hill CD's to someone, I usually give folks "Black Fire" and "Passing Ships" to start with -- as (what I feel) are the two best examples of his early and later (60's) BN periods. POD does have numerous AMAZING performances -- but so does Black Fire, with the added benefit of (what I think) are stronger tunes (compositions). I heard Andrew's quartet at the Iowa City Jazz Festival in 2003 - one of the most memorable live dates I've yet been to! (Along with Sun Ra, Sam Rivers, and Grachan Moncur)

Got it yesterday, thanks!!

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but over the years I've found I prefer almost anything Pete Townsend's done solo (and especially Pete's Who demos) -- over The Who proper. It's NOT even that I dislike Daltrey a whole lot (I've always found him to be charming and interesting in interviews, for instance) -- but for whatever reason, I just WAY more drawn to Townsend's voice than Roger's. As a result, my solo Townsend collection is about twice that of what I have by The Who.

Thanks everybody!!

I think the only really overrated BN title that's coming to mind is Blue Train. Certainly not a bad date, but I always find it under-rehearsed, and not as good as its lofty street-credit usually implies. A good date that was nearly "really good" (or it certainly aspired to be) -- but I seem to remember often seeing it on "top-20" lists, and I usually think, really?

And the title-track from "In Pursuit of the 27th Man" (9:44), is anything but typical Horace Silver.

"The Jody Grind" is top drawer in my book.

This data only bolsters my wife's notion that my interest (and really, my spending habits) are completely off the chart (despite my protestations otherwise). But let's not forget, this is all talking about people who actually PAY for music -- what is unfortunately becoming an antiquated notion.

Always wanted to have one with Zappa's "The Black Page" -- one of the versions with the actual tune (not just percussion).

Speaking of which, what are he odds of getting an expanded Unity with the other alternates? Can somebody remind me of what circulates? - I've never heard the complete session myself (but have been tempted to try and track it down).

If I could use something from The Trainwreck, I could at least be assured that there was almost near certainty it was indeed MY phone that was ringing.

Happy day!! How many more b-days for you *this* year!!

Oh, I had the impression that these were the color separations. Looking at them again, though, clearly they are just regular negatives as best I can tell anyway. Thanks for pointing that out, Chuck!

I presume these are actual album-cover size, correct? (Can't imagine they wouldn't be.) If Black Fire was among the lot, I can't say for sure that I wouldn't be bidding.

Jimmy Heath - really?

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Much love for Black Love!!

This is a FANTASTIC date!

The more adventuresome 3rd of this set had way, WAY more meat on the bone than I was ever expecting (about half of which was previously unreleased) -- in part because of energetic, interesting group interplay (the members of the trio bouncing off each other). And another third was still pretty tasty, mostly because of cool originals and/or modern standards I already liked. And the last third was a little more "sleepy".

...and actually, I think the previously unreleased material from the Zeitlin Select is often some of the more/most interesting material on the set. Definitely among the more challenging selections on the set!

A good bit of the Zeitlin is among THE most interesting 60's piano-trio recordings I've yet heard. Reminds me I've been meaning to program a single-disc of the more/most progressive and -- maybe 'agressive' isn't quite the right word (nor is 'in your face') -- but more forward-thinking tunes from the Zeitlin. Put 'em all on one disc, mostly the higher-energy stuff, and a few choice covers (Maiden Voyage). Really top-notch stuff. Get it while you can!

I'd always hoped some 60's footage of Woody with Horace Silver might turn up some day. Either with Joe Henderson, or better yet, with Tyrone Washington!