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Can’t tell you how many discs I have filed under the name of the person (sideman) on the the date that’s the entire reason I bought it. No, not every date Joe Henderson is on as a sideman is filed under “Henderson”. But you can be darned sure all the sideman work he did in the 70’s and later — all that’s filed with the rest of Joe’s leader-dates (cuz that’s 90% of why I bought that stuff). My basic rule is I file stuff where I think I’ll find it later. AND, when I’m looking for some more obscure stuff with someone on it, then it’s nice to be able to peruse all those obscure dates with Joe (cuz I’ll never remember half of them by their own leader).

I used to feel sort of the same way. Or at least when it came to paring down my collection about 12 years ago (from 8,500 CD’s down to about 4,500 — when I moved from KC to DC). If I had two CD’s by the same artist, I had the damnedest time getting rid of one of them. It was relatively easier to go from 5 titles by the same leader down to just two. But if I had only two to start with, I felt obligated to keep both. Then I said, this is silly!! — and I did manage to cull things down from 2 to just 1 in about a dozen instances. But it was like an artificial roadblock I just couldn’t get past, until I just decided I simply wouldn’t be bound by that arbitrary rule. And yeah, usually if I own one volume of something, I either feel obligated to get the other one — or else get rid of the first one — there’s no logical way to just be ‘halfway’ about only owning one and not the other (since presumably the missing volume is just as good as the one I already have).

In Kansas City, my very best friend’s (essentially common-law) wife — and also her mother (essentially his common-law mother-in-law) — they both died of Covid back around Thanksgiving of 2020 — just a month or two before vaccines were available (though only the elderly qualified at the very first). The two of them (meaning my friend and his partner) had been dating for years, and then living together (for even more years)… …for around 20 years total, iirc.

I agree. The only minor hope I have about it is that Charles himself seemed aware of what it was, and that it was legitimately in the pipeline, when I asked him about it between sets the one and only time I’ve gotten to hear him (up in Baltimore, just a couple weeks before the nationwide Covid shutdown). He confirmed what year and venue it was from, and I posted about it somewhere around here in another thread. But other than that, I’m not getting my hopes up terribly high at this point (though they were higher a couple years ago, certainly). PS: Here’s what I said about it a couple years ago…

Always good advice…

That site looks somewhat suspicious to me (to put it charitably), and I would be careful of its framing of supposed news stories. Most likely a coincidence, which is being exploited for a false narrative, imho.

This remembrance from Terry Gross… (You have to hear it, don’t just try and read it — trust me.) https://www.npr.org/2022/04/14/1092823237/remembering-comic-gilbert-gottfried

Can’t wait!!!!!

Wow, I had no idea. That’s great to hear!

Yup. it’s been pushed back so many times, I think the occasional “new dates” on the Dusty Groove website are simply them NOT deleting it from their schedule — but I don’t think anything actually ‘new’ is driving the new dates Dusty has listed.

Didn’t Gil Evans (in particular) have the same sort of problem? — only his neary(?) annual(?) tours of Europe and (then later?) Japan every really turned out audiences — and that he could never really tour in the US and make it work financially. How did Gerald Wilson fare thru the 70’s and 80’s? I know he didn’t record at all in the 70’s, but did put out four albums in the 80’s. Did Wilson ever tour a band overseas (like Gil)? Carla surely did better overseas, but did she tour much (overseas) thru the 70’s? I think(?) she did in the 80’s, iirc, at least some. Is there a good book on Carla, btw? Can’t say I’ve ever seen one, but I’d love to know if there is. What other nationally-prominent non-Ghost (big, or biggish) bands in the US were there thru the 70’s and 80’s? Thad and Mel, certainly. But that’s about it, right? (I realize the economics of it all were miserably against such endeavors even being even remotely sustainable, let alone successful.) Was Carla fielding like an 8-piece or maybe 10-piece group (at most) at this point? Maybe even 6 or 7 — I forget the number of players on which albums thru this time-period for her, I’m afraid (haven’t heard many of them in years).

More info on Tony Williams’ punk band (which was from 1978)… http://www.rushcreekeditions.com/steinberg/steinberg-content13.html Ben Sidran also posted about it on Facebook, but I can’t read it — maybe somebody can post a copy of the text over here for me. This might be the link… https://m.facebook.com/login.php?next=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fbensidranpage%2Fposts%2Fin-1978-i-produced-a-record-for-tony-williams-called-barbarians-of-love-cbs-neve%2F10155419324185201%2F&refsrc=deprecated&_rdr

I thought that was a different and unreleased project, that did cut some demos that circulate (or at least one of them). There’s a thread about it somewhere around here. Tony sang on it too, iirc.

Here’s the whole album, in one 40-minute upload… …and the group played live a few times, it would seem. A live tune… And another… https://youtu.be/njrsGRYlKQ8

When I first started listening to jazz (in college), I was limited to a very few albums — so repetition of listening was the order of the day (and really my only option). I’ve told this story several times, but for the first month or two, I listened to just four albums over and over, by Miles (KOB & Nefertiti) and Joe Henderson (Mode for Joe & Power to the People). Initially I was intrigued by them, but with repetition, I began to be able to anticipate things, or at least the framework of the songs — the chord progressions and baselines — all became more and more familiar. And more and more they worked and really ‘wormed’ their way into my head. And as I got more to listen to, I was initially limited to just those 8-10 albums for a couple more months (I only remember the first four titles). But I think repetition is the key to getting into classical music too. I took a 200-level “Intro to Western Classical Music” class midway thru college, and much of it all sounded the same to me at first — but repetition of a few things allowed the specific themes to come out. The class had a a couple weeks of modern classics, and I’ll never forget how alien and bizarre Schoenberg’s Pierrot Lunaire sounded. But I used to play it for other people from time to time (“oh, you think that sounds weird, wait until you here THIS!”). But then, in a couple years, the first couple short movements of even Pierrot Lunaire began to sound very familiar to me — and since I was a singer, I could even ‘speak-sing’ along — as a sort of bizarre parlor trick. But then, just a couple short years later, I genuinely liked it! ANYWAY, anything can become considerably more familiar, and “aurally understandable” with repeated exposure — and I think my limited choices of listening material at first (when it came to jazz) certainly helped there.

There’s this live performance of EOTH from 1997, which I’ve never heard… https://www.discogs.com/release/14874566-Carla-Bley-Escalator-Over-The-Hill And here’s some footage of one from 2006… And this seems to be one from 1998 (perhaps the same ‘production’ as the one from 1997?)… Part two of the same 1998 thing… The general Wikipedia entry for EOTH seems to reference these same exact years… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalator_over_the_Hill >> In 1997, a live version of Escalator over the Hill, re-orchestrated by Jeff Friedman, was performed for the first time in Cologne, Germany. In 1998, "Escalator" toured Europe. Another live performance took place in May 2006 in Essen, Germany.

I know there were one or more later (much later) live performances of EOTH in full (or I presume damn near the whole thing)… …at least once or twice in the 90’s (iirc) — and maybe even later than that too (or any before the 90’s?). Anyway, I’ve only seen or heard snippets online, here and there, over the years — but I know there’s footage I’ve seen of at least one ‘new’ production. Have there been any other recordings released of any of these remountings of the whole shebang?? Or any long-form streaming sources out there? (Video, or even just audio). I presume some cdr’s probably have floated about too. Anyway, what’s out there?

Was Cole’s “reply” in print? - in a later issue of DB? Just pulled out my (my uncle’s) copy of the 02-Mar-72 issue to read your letter — half to read Cole’s response too — but I’m only seeing your letter. (Or did he mail a reply to you directly?)

Yea, thank you Jim!!

Yeah, do tell!

Ok, fess up — just how in the hell did this ever get on your radar??!! https://www.discogs.com/release/17854429-Kurt-Edelhagen-His-Orchestra-The-Unreleased-WDR-Jazz-Recordings-1957-1974

I have your book, Larry, and for some reason or another I got it in my head you were the possible mystery writer. FWIW, I could have sworn it was something (then) unpublished — whenever the post was from (and now I’m vaguely remembering it was quite a while ago, maybe like 2005, give or take, but something I only saw in the last year or two). So maybe something by @allenlowe then? Or who else am I forgetting around here? — (in terms of jazz authors). My apologies if I’m forgetting anyone!! Something (then) unpublished about Teddy Charles (it sounded like a short chapter, iirc) — in a post here from like 15+ years ago. Was it ever published? And how can I get a copy? (I don’t think I’d even really heard of Teddy Charles — or not actually heard any music if his, at least — until like 3-4 years ago).

Larry, I was JUST gonna mention Teddy Charles’ Tentet — an extraordinarily special and unique group, if ever there was. By the way, I recently saw in another old thread that you had a manuscript that included a good bit about Teddy Charles’ medium-size group(s?) — were they always 10? It was quite an old post (well over 10 years ago, maybe 15?). Did you ever publish that particular piece?? (If so, where can I find it, or what’s the title?). I’d love to read it!

Does anyone know how much Andrew Hill played live in the 60’s? — and just as importantly, with whom?

Anybody else from DC want a copy? I’m thinking of putting in a preorder from Dusty Groove (a new-ish DG option, which I’ve never used before) — which appears to have a flat rate of $3 for shipping, regardless of the number of CD’s in the order. DG’s regular 1st class shipping for one CD is $3.90 — so if three of us ordered (on the same pre-order), that’d save us almost $3 each in shipping.