ghost of miles Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Michael Fitzgerald and anybody else on the Coltrane list already know about this, but Robin D.G. Kelley, who wrote a fantastic book on African-American Communists in Alabama during the Depression entitled HAMMER AND HOE is at work on a biography of Thelonious Monk. Evidently he's been given great access to Monk's estate; this is the press release that was posted on the JC list: "Award-winning author and scholar Robin D. G. Kelley, who has been given unprecedented access to the Thelonious Monk estate to write a biography on the legendary jazz musician, will visit Duke University's Center for Documentary Studies (CDS) to conduct research and deliver a public presentation, "Misterioso: In Search of Thelonious Monk," on August 26, at 7 p.m. While at CDS, Kelley will be exploring the nature of Monk's presence in the jazz loft recordings of photographer W. Eugene Smith, which are part of an extensive ongoing research and oral history project at CDS. In 1957 Smith moved into a loft building in Manhattan's flower district, a building that became a legendary haunt of such jazz musicians as Thelonious Monk, Zoot Sims, and Roland Kirk, along with countless underground figures. For seven years, Smith documented the scene -- both inside the building and through the windows -- with many thousands of photographs, and he wired the building like a studio and made nearly one thousand hours of stereo audiotape of the music sessions, none of which had been seen or heard publicly until recently. Smith's recordings capture the famously private Monk scoring charts and talking about his music with collaborator Hall Overton, who was also a resident in the loft building. Monk also held full band rehearsals in the loft." Robin did not discuss the Smith tapes, so I don't know whether any of these captured Coltrane (although, I intend to find out, and will report back). However, Robin said that he has been given access to Monk family tapes, which include three performances from the Five Spot, July 1957. These are the only known recordings of that legendary gig with Coltrane, and include "Nutty," "Ruby, My Dear," and one other track, the name of which Robin couldn't recall. He said that the Monk family intends to release these recordings on it's own Thelonious label. Robin said that at this early date, Coltrane is clearly struggling with the compositions. Most of the Monk family tapes are home recordings, made by Nellie. Many of these consist of Monk working out his approach to a single tune, apparently similar in manner to the 25 minute rehearsal of "Round Midnight" on Thelonious Himself. Robin played portions of an 84 minute tape of Monk playing "Getting Sentimental Over You" over and over again, gradually distilling his conception. Robin said that often on these tapes Monk initially plays tunes fairly straight, then slowly introduces his rubato and substitutions. Robin intends to include a cd of selections with his book, which he has yet to complete. One home recording includes a performance of "All God's Children Got Rhythm," which Robin discovered Monk was playing from an arrangement written by Mary Lou Williams. He said Williams and Monk were close; and that Monk, Williams and Bud Powell once shared an apartment and a single piano. Robin said that some compositions in Monk's hand can be found among Mary Lou Williams' papers in Duke's manuscript collection. He also demonstrated that Monk borrowed "Rhythm 'n' ing" from a Mary Lou composition (which then also circulated and was played under various titles by Al Haig, Charlie Christian and others, long before Monk recorded it). Man, I'd love to hear those tapes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 I think the Getting Sentimental tape is what was issued as "Monk - The Transformer" on Thelonious Records, so at least that is available now. The Smith tapes are interesting - some of them are labeled with comments like "Monk danced but did not play at this rehearsal." The bulk of the Monk stuff is big band rehearsals - for the 1959 Town Hall concert, for the 1963 Philharmonic Hall concert, and for the 1964 Carnegie Hall concert. There's also a broadcast of an interview/demonstration that Hall Overton did with the Monk quartet at The New School in 1963. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted February 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Up for any news of Mr. Kelley's progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Robin has been working on his Monk book for a long time. From what he told me about it, I can't wait to see it published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Hmmm, a disc of previously unreleased Monk sounds like a good way to promote sales of the book. Seriously, I am very happy to hear about this book. Several Monk biographies have appeared in recent years, but none of them are close the being THE biography that we all need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Seriously, I am very happy to hear about this book. Several Monk biographies have appeared in recent years, but none of them are close the being THE biography that we all need. My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 It will, I hope (confidently), debunk the Keepnews claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Keepnews' claims? What are they, and are they Orrin's or Peter's? I believe the latter was/is also writing a Monk biography. Also, echoing Allan, Kelly's infamous Monk as pimp piece was ominous, especially its aggressively wised-up tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Also, echoing Allan, Kelly's infamous Monk as pimp piece was ominous, especially its aggressively wised-up tone. Larry, assume this is a slip of the mind and it should read 'Miles as pimp'. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Keepnews' claims? What are they, and are they Orrin's or Peter's? I believe the latter was/is also writing a Monk biography. It's hearsay, but my understanding is that the Peter Keepnews Monk bio is pretty much dead in the water at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 This news comes as a total shock. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Bertrand--if you're referring to my post, I wouldn't call it "news." It really is hearsay, but supposedly certain events have made further progression very difficult. We may still ultimately see a book from PK...there are probably folks here much more in the know than I am as to whether or not PK's bio will ever come out. Speaking of bios, I still have high hopes that we'll eventually see Peter Pullman's book on Bud Powell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 It's hearsay, but my understanding is that the Peter Keepnews Monk bio is pretty much dead in the water at this point. It would have to be, given the fact that Peter's options are to write a book of fiction or a book that exposes his father's self-serving twists of truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 The Powell book will see the light of day, I guarantee it. Pullman is a meticulous researcher who leaves no stone unturned. He's dug up so much it's mind-boggling. These things take time. I'd rather wait 15 years for a comprehensive Bud book then get something tossed together in 2 years like Footprints. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Bertrand -- you're right. I meant to say Kelley's "Miles as pimp" piece. About Pullman's Powell biography, I pretty knew much know where in the process it is now, and I know for sure at which publishing firm (a very good university press), and I have much confidence and every hope that it will emerge. Based on the parts I've seen, it will be a superb book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I don't think there was any doubt about Peter's Powell book, at least there shouldn't be. Peter very carefully checks that every dot, comma, etc. is in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) http://www.amazon.com/Thelonious-Monk-Time...3709&sr=1-1 The book showed up in my office mail today, and while I am presently overwhelmed with deadlines and can't dive into it at the moment, I did take a few minutes to flip through a couple pages and it looks like a monumental piece of scholarship. The specific details about Monk's mental illness and medical treatment in his later years that I happened upon were revelatory. I have no idea about the interpretive thrust of the portrait, depth of musical analysis or any other big picture issues, but if the facts relating to all periods of Monk's life and career are as exhaustive as the quick snapshot that I saw, then this promises to be a landmark. Edited September 29, 2009 by Mark Stryker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blajay Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I pre-ordered from Amazon, and it doesn't estimate that it will arrive until Oct. 8th. How did you get a copy already? All of Robin Kelley's works have been brilliant. I can't wait to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 This should be nice, I hope to learn the details which led to Monk losing passion for music and stop playing, I mean theres no recordings after 1972 correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I placed an order with amazon as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Just ordered a copy. Thanks for pointing this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Mark, When you have a chance to look at this more carefully, could you keep an eye out to see if there is any mention of the copyright deposits at the Library of Congress? I know RK looked at these, but I was not with him that day so I don't know if he saw anything interesting. Of course, this question applies to anyone who receives their copy soon. I plan to buy this, but cheapo that I am, I will wait until I can get a 40% Borders' coupon or get it at Daedalus. I'm not in a hurry - Monk ain't going anywhere Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I'll bet I'm not the only one not looking for musical insights but intrigued that there is real in depth information on his life and times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Well, I ordered it. It's going to be better than the Gourse book! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Brown Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I've read the first hundred and ten pages and, so far, I'm very impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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